This episode, titled “Dr. Phillipson, Or How I Stopped Worrying About Aliens and Started to Govern from my Sofa ”, kicks off with a surprise visit from a friend and advisor of Klang, Adam Phillipson (remember him??). If you haven’t heard of him before, go and check out this article that he wrote about Oumuamua, the first interstellar object passing through the solar system that we observed, spotted in 2017 by the Pan-STARRS telescope.

After, John talks with Robin Hanson about his new “Grabby Aliens” theory, and we promise it is no way near as inappropriate as it sounds! They also dive into the idea of “quiet” and “loud” aliens, discussing which of these humans are, and how this may evolve.

To close the episode, John chats with both Joshua Tan and Lawrence Lessig about the idea of Metagovernance, world governance, and how we can use these tools to create inclusive spaces both online and in the real world (or on another planet!).

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